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MoerkJ, can you bring up a discussion with the current mods on their views on subtitles that are ripped directly for sites such as Viki and Dramafever, and whether or not they should be continued to be allowed on the fansub wiki, but also forum, since there hasn't been a guideline as such. Given that such streaming sites are using third parties to removed licensed content, with sites continuing to be taken down and targeted of late, this needs to be discussed further. --[[User:Huyie|Huyie]] ([[User talk:Huyie|talk]]) 06:30, 22 July 2013 (UTC) | MoerkJ, can you bring up a discussion with the current mods on their views on subtitles that are ripped directly for sites such as Viki and Dramafever, and whether or not they should be continued to be allowed on the fansub wiki, but also forum, since there hasn't been a guideline as such. Given that such streaming sites are using third parties to removed licensed content, with sites continuing to be taken down and targeted of late, this needs to be discussed further. --[[User:Huyie|Huyie]] ([[User talk:Huyie|talk]]) 06:30, 22 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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| + | :I think it is already outlined in our [http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_34292.htm Rules For Uploading Fansubs] and the [http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_60545.htm Fansubber Guidelines] that we accept only subtitles as fansub which are the ''own work'' of the contributor. This means that subtitles derived (or stolen) from other sources (i.e. commercial subs) are not to be considered fansubs and are not allowed to be uploaded as fansubs. | ||
| + | :Some subtitles in our forum's subtitle index are not fansubs and shouldn't be listed in FansubWiki as fansubs. Especially in the old days before we added the fansubbing subforum we simply collected subtitles from various sources, e.g. transcriptions from captured hardsubs (tvrips) or from DVDs (vobsubs) etc. So, for example [[Jem]] and [[Groink captures|groink]] are not fansubbers. They were tv-capturing English subtitled dramas. They never created any fansubs themselves by translating/timing drama dialoge. | ||
| + | :Subtitles derived (or stolen) from sources like Dramafever or Viki cannot be considered fansubs as long as the original producers aren't releasing them as fansubs to the public. We were discussing this among the moderators a few months ago. Consensus was the following: Dramafever's [http://www.dramafever.com/terms.html Terms of Use] disallow any reproduction, duplication, creation of derivative works, and distribution of their content. However, for Viki the situation is different. Some (or even all?) of their subtitles and timings are created line by line by their community members as "submissions" under a creative commons license [http://www.viki.com/about] [http://support.viki.com/entries/21307344-new-to-viki-a-few-things-to-know-about-the-community] [http://www.viki.com/terms_of_use]. Such subtitles should be redistributable. We could list/collect their fansubs maybe by using a fansub group labeled "Viki" or "Viki community". --[[User:MoerkJ|MoerkJ]] ([[User talk:MoerkJ|talk]]) 12:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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Looks like the page for Kioku Fansubs is corrupt. Not sure if there are any other similar pages. --Huyie (talk) 06:22, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for noticing. I've fixed the edit history for the page in the database. Now using the most recent available revision/edit (from 2011-04-12) I could find as the latest page revision. --MoerkJ (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Discussion on ripped subtitles from streaming sites
MoerkJ, can you bring up a discussion with the current mods on their views on subtitles that are ripped directly for sites such as Viki and Dramafever, and whether or not they should be continued to be allowed on the fansub wiki, but also forum, since there hasn't been a guideline as such. Given that such streaming sites are using third parties to removed licensed content, with sites continuing to be taken down and targeted of late, this needs to be discussed further. --Huyie (talk) 06:30, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
- I think it is already outlined in our Rules For Uploading Fansubs and the Fansubber Guidelines that we accept only subtitles as fansub which are the own work of the contributor. This means that subtitles derived (or stolen) from other sources (i.e. commercial subs) are not to be considered fansubs and are not allowed to be uploaded as fansubs.
- Some subtitles in our forum's subtitle index are not fansubs and shouldn't be listed in FansubWiki as fansubs. Especially in the old days before we added the fansubbing subforum we simply collected subtitles from various sources, e.g. transcriptions from captured hardsubs (tvrips) or from DVDs (vobsubs) etc. So, for example Jem and groink are not fansubbers. They were tv-capturing English subtitled dramas. They never created any fansubs themselves by translating/timing drama dialoge.
- Subtitles derived (or stolen) from sources like Dramafever or Viki cannot be considered fansubs as long as the original producers aren't releasing them as fansubs to the public. We were discussing this among the moderators a few months ago. Consensus was the following: Dramafever's Terms of Use disallow any reproduction, duplication, creation of derivative works, and distribution of their content. However, for Viki the situation is different. Some (or even all?) of their subtitles and timings are created line by line by their community members as "submissions" under a creative commons license [1] [2] [3]. Such subtitles should be redistributable. We could list/collect their fansubs maybe by using a fansub group labeled "Viki" or "Viki community". --MoerkJ (talk) 12:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
