User talk:MoerkJ

Broken page

Looks like the page for Kioku Fansubs is corrupt. Not sure if there are any other similar pages. --Huyie (talk) 06:22, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I've fixed the edit history for the page in the database. Now using the most recent available revision/edit (from 2011-04-12) I could find as the latest page revision. --MoerkJ (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on ripped subtitles from streaming sites

MoerkJ, can you bring up a discussion with the current mods on their views on subtitles that are ripped directly for sites such as Viki and Dramafever, and whether or not they should be continued to be allowed on the fansub wiki, but also forum, since there hasn't been a guideline as such. Given that such streaming sites are using third parties to removed licensed content, with sites continuing to be taken down and targeted of late, this needs to be discussed further. --Huyie (talk) 06:30, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I think it is already outlined in our Rules For Uploading Fansubs and the Fansubber Guidelines that we accept only subtitles as fansub which are the own work of the contributor. This means that subtitles derived (or stolen) from other sources (i.e. commercial subs) are not to be considered fansubs and are not allowed to be uploaded as fansubs.

Some subtitles in our forum's subtitle index are not fansubs and shouldn't be listed in FansubWiki as fansubs. Especially in the old days before we added the fansubbing subforum we simply collected subtitles from various sources, e.g. transcriptions from captured hardsubs (tvrips) or from DVDs (vobsubs) etc. So, for example Jem and groink are not fansubbers. They were tv-capturing English subtitled dramas. They never created any fansubs themselves by translating/timing drama dialoge.

Subtitles derived (or stolen) from sources like Dramafever or Viki cannot be considered fansubs as long as the original producers aren't releasing them as fansubs to the public. We were discussing this among the moderators a few months ago. Consensus was the following: Dramafever's Terms of Use disallow any reproduction, duplication, creation of derivative works, and distribution of their content. However, for Viki the situation is different. Some (or even all?) of their subtitles and timings are created line by line by their community members as "submissions" under a creative commons license [1] [2] [3]. Such subtitles should be redistributable. We could list/collect their fansubs maybe by using a fansub group labeled "Viki" or "Viki community". --MoerkJ (talk) 12:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

At least with the captured hardsubs (e.g. KBS World) and those that transcribe from it, the content origin source is usually obvious, and in most cases stated by the uploader or transcribing group in the original post. Viki subtitles are a bit borderline at present when listed here, since even though it falls under the CCL, it only was meant to apply under their own streaming subtitle system, not elsewhere, but as long as it is stated as from Viki as such and acknowledged, I don't see any reason I will need to remove such links, unless directly requested to remove them.

I was planning to remove any links here that are known to be sourced from Dramafever (and make it clear should not be linked here whatsoever), since it most cases I've seen, it is usually not/never stated unless you open the actual subtitle file. Just need a sticky in the forums somewhere to make it clear to all members that it should not be posted on the forums as well to be consistent. In most cases, it is not the fansubbers posting those links, but others thinking there isn't an issue as such when posting them, or including them directly in torrent files. --Huyie (talk) 14:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, obviously all subtitles that are not fansubs shouldn't be listed here. Or at least it should be noted that there exist non-fancreated subs elsewhere, so that nobody starts fansubbing dramas with "derived" subs. (We could use different colors in the fansubmaps for (i)available fansubs, (ii)existing derived subs, and (iii) unavailable subs.) Furthermore it should be clear that FansubWiki and the subtitles in the forum are two different things. In the forum you can find fansubs and "derived" subs. FansubWiki is only about fansubs and was established to coordinate the fansub process. It was never meant as a link list to all existing (fan-created) subtitle downloads. Some of the fansubs can be downloaded in the forum, some not. The actual links to subtitles should be included on the existing group pages and not in the fansub maps. If we wanted to collect all subtitles in the wiki then we also could have uploaded all subs here and not in the forum. Strange enough that nobody came up with the idea to upload, archive or at least paste the subs into the wiki, like in the rudimental translation section. --MoerkJ (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)