User talk:Drazic

What's your problem?

If you take your head out of your own **s and breath some air for a minute, you will find that distros is a PERFECTLY legitimate method of distributing fanworks. If you read the definition of fansubbing on Wikipedia, NO WHERE in that article mentions that fansub works can only be given away for free. Distros are non-online methods of distributing fansubs, and the costs is only for the media used, shipping and handling. Why do you consider TV captures as bootlegs anyway? TV caps distros are much MUCH older than fansubbing via the Internet. I've been fansubbing and distro'ing VHS and beta tapes of anime, dramas and tokusatsu probably longer than you've been alive. And I'm talking about going back to the early 1980s. I've probably even done more tokusatsu fansubbing on VHS tape than your entire fansubbing team has done on PCs. If you're ticked off that I stopped uploading to D-Addicts, go somewhere else and express your frustration. And finally, don't f**k with me. I've delt with hundreds of people like you on-line, and I've won each and every time. I accept whatever challenge you throw my way. Get a life! Groink 04:11, 10 July 2008 (CEST)

Right, Because asking 500$ for a external hard drive isnt getting you any profit. And why are you calling it fansubbing? all you do is encode the tv-rips. Quoting the wikipedia you like so much: "A fansub (short for fan-subtitled) is a version of a foreign film or foreign television program which has been translated by fans and subtitled into a language other than that of the original." and "Fansub distributors (who delivered videos to fans) were usually separate from fansubbers, who did translations and produced masters. Since most members of the fansub community did not want to profit from their activities, fansubs were usually not "sold". Typically, a fan who wanted copies of a given program would mail blank VHS tapes to a fansub distributor, along with a modest payment for shipping expenses. The distributor would then record copies onto the "customer's" blank cassettes, and ship them back. Alternatively, a fansub distributor might sell copied tapes outright, but at a low price which was intended to be exactly enough to cover the cost of blank cassettes and shipping.".

So yeah, it's definitly not fansubs. Any other bootleg seller would get bashed away by you but this is okay? It's not like you did the subs yourself...

Dude, I DO translate Japanese to English and fansub. Read sometime, will you? Retard. We're in a rv war! I can keep at it forever. Can you? Groink 19:20, 10 July 2008 (CEST)

Ofcourse =) You didnt answer my question though. How is selling an 250 gb external hd for 500$ not selling for profit?'

Selling is not the issue with fansubbing status. I could be selling drugs on my web page, and it still wouldn't matter. Selling Oshin is the only exception here. I don't claim to create the subtitles for that drama. It is illegal - BIG TIME! We know that! But again, that does not ruin my personal status as a fansubber. For my fansubs - the shows that I actually subtitled myself that you claim I'm lying about - they're available for the cost of the DVD and shipping/handling. If you did the due diligence, you will see that I've personally subtitled: Hitotsu Yane no Shita ep1-4 (I gave the project to SARS to finish up), Itsuka Mata Aeru, Ganabare!! ROBOCON, Sentai Go Ranger, and countless others. Most of my work was done in the 1980s and 1990s via VHS, but Hitotsu Yane was done in the BitTorrent age. I converted a RAW laserdisc to PC, applied subtitles - translated by me along with the help of others on-line, uploaded it to D-Addicts in 2003, and was among the first torrents to appear at the tracker. You can ask Ruroshin yourself to verify that. Groink 21:30, 10 July 2008 (CEST)

BTW, fansubbing status is not something that can be taken away from you. Technically, all you need to do is sub one episode or a renzoku and you're a fansubber. There's no rule that says you must translate X number of lines before you can become a fansubber. If you can find any clause - anywhere - that says a person loses his status as a fansubber because of ______, then I'm fine with it. But you won't find such a clause. So do not remove my status as a fansubber because of your misguided and misunderstood understanding of what a fansubber is. Groink 21:45, 10 July 2008 (CEST)

All that doesnt change anything about you selling bootlegs. Even if you did translate them yourself. They still are bootlegs. And if there is one thing that shouldnt be allowed on d-addicts it's advertising bootlegs. And why do the dvds you buy cost 5$? you're being ripped off or not just selling for media costs.

And i'm pretty sure most people would agree that even if you sub something you arent a fansubber if you sell it with profit. That would make you a bootleg seller. I know that fansubs started with VHS fansubs but from what i've heard all the good subbers still sold for media+shipping. And back then there was a reason to do it like that. But times change and there are way better alternatives to distibute fansubs. So i wouldnt say someone who is really selling for media+shipping is a bootleg seller but i wouldnt say it's a smart choice to do it like that either.'

Where did you get the $5 from? That's for professional bowling videos - not fansubs! Read more throughly next time. Groink 23:08, 10 July 2008 (CEST)

Well, since your site says " Prices depend on how rare the show is.". I'm pretty sure that it wont be sold for media+shipping. And those are the only prices i could find at your site so i just used it as an example.

You know... It comes down to this one idea... Fansubbing is illegal. Distribution of fansubs in ANY form across ANY distribution channel is illegal. Just the mere process of translating a copyrighted work like a TV show or book and sending the soft subs to a mass number of people is illegal. Selling copyrighted material is illegal. Recording a TV show with subs and selling it is illegal. Selling for profit or at a loss - it is all illegal! What you're whining about here is that your activity is LESS illegal than what I'm doing. It is either illegal or it isn't. That's really your basis here, and it is a total joke. Yes, I am a bootlegger. But I am also a fansubber. The same laws are being broken when wearing either cap. Quoting Bill Gates' message to Steve Jobs, "We both broke into the house. You're whining because I got ahold of the TV set first!" Groink 23:20, 10 July 2008 (CEST)

I'm pretty sure i never said what you were doing was wrong because it was illegal. It's just wrong from an ethical point of view. You arent he one who should be making money of these shows.